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RescueDog

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I've noticed alot of articles lately on liscensing for pet groomers. I'm still trying to form my opinion on it. I would be intersted in hearing what my peers have to say about it.

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I am so sick of this topic. It is frightning to think about government restrictions,rules,licensing. It would cost us more money to operate, to pay for inspections. I pay enough in taxes,automobile registration, business insurance..... blah ,blah,blah. Industry standards are mandatory. Government & big brother needs to stay away from our industry. Joy

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My 2 cents is this... licensing would accomplish about as much as certification does. I've been grooming 14 years, apprenticed. We all have seen "certified master groomers" come out of a MAJOR petstore chain than don't know squat! So is licensing going to help our industry as well? NO! The only one who stands to benifit is our gov. Buisness license, kennel license, buis. insurance, retail & operating cost. Who pays in the end? The customer who already thinks their grooming $ is to much now. Just my 2 cents.

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Don't worry gang, I am a groomer of 32 years and they have been talking about licensing since I started in 1973!  If it hasn't happened by now, it won't.

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hi,, it WILL happen sooner or later,, i think we need to regulate and license OURSELVES and keep the government out of it.... because if we do not do it ourself soon the government WILL do it.... so i think we should support  our local grooming groups and start getting involved with I.P.G. or any other "testing" group.. i am in the middle of my tests for my "master groomer certificte" and i think we all should have such a thing... I cant belive that ANYBODY  can buy a book and a clipper then open their own shop!!!!  it is these types of hacks that give the rest of us groomers a bad name!!!!  SOMEBODY should be in charge..and i do NOT think it should be the government!!!!!  so we should be making our own rules and regulations, before it is too late!!!!


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I agree with you Sandypaws..  Not to disregard anyone's ability, but why not make it easy for the established groomers to become licensed.. And for sure keep the gov out of it..

 

Our instructors in the school environment are hopefully already cmg's but they probably weren't always..  They got tested and conformed with the demands of the industry to regulate for the sake of the industry, and are still the leaders in their field.  We all know of "a not so good groomer", fresh out of school - But especially in this profession, they are not going to pick up everything they will need to succeed in this market, but they will have a foundation (solid), to grow on, and they will know safe and proper techniques..  Then, it is not how to regulate the groomers but how to regulate the schools..  I don't know, but something has to be done before the gov does it themselves.. 


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I haven't checked lately, but some years ago, I knew a lady who became a " certified Master Groomer" and all she had to do was pay her money per breed and maginally pass ( she got a "C" in most breeds) and her finished dogs STILL looked like my rough ins!  I think if we as a group ( vs. govt. who knows nothing of our skills) make the exams worthy of the title, it might mean something.  I haven't seen it yet, with the exception of the competition groomers.  I too, don't think that someone should be able to pick up a book, buy some clippers and open a shop.  I've seen enough of that in 32 years. However, the capable and safe groomers do well and survive for years in the business when the " book learners" fold rather quickly or realize that they need a capable groomer with them to teach them the ropes!

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That is why this industry has not developed any further than the mess it's in today!  The groomers who are "well cured" in the industry of grooming - not school certified are the "grandfathers of grooming", and some of these groomers are the folks who squawk the loudest and disrespect school certified master groomers or schools in general, and this just does not make sense.  We expect the rest of the world to respect the dog grooming industry, and we can't even appreciate that there is a group of individuals that are yes maybe younger, but have the same interests and skills - desire to master the art of grooming, and ah ha (evolution in the making), we do not think we know more than the rest, and look for the opportunity to learn and hear different opinions, take constructive criticism, and look for better ways... 

 

I am a school certified master groomer, but I don't call on that as my sole source for my foundation.  Most of my knowledge came from folks who weren't school certified, but came from Britain, weren't full of fluff - actually had no time for it, and was after only the most passionate, focused pupils to even stand in their presence, and this was with breeders not groomers..  This passion was focused and seflmotivated in dogs and horses, and the horse instructors were equally disciplined and regimented as the terrier breeders I was fortunate enough to be trained by..  More Brits!  What great instructors they are - I love them all so much (such special people)..  They were to the point with absolute fact - breed standard, none of this fluff!  It was a hard world back then, and I got bumped down many times..  But they always had such encouraging words, never a negative - especially when it came to learning..  I say, get as much info as you can..  Take in as many seminars as you can get to..  But be ready to do the research, and check out the program you are considering to ensure you will be ready to "go apprentice under a seasoned groomer for a few years".  Maybe if that reality was spoken more often, the industry would recognize that maybe we need to make that part of the process for licensing.. I just don't think it should be so quickly concluded that unless a CMG does grooming competitions, they aren't any good..  What an argument waiting to happen..  What a turn off..

 

Can't we appreciate that just like any other industry, you have some good and some bad examples, but if someone goes to the extent to pay for a program, then obviously they are not in to pull the same tactics as one who goes out and buys the gear and sets up the shop..  I just think groomers think because they took a course, then of course the next step is open a shop, and they should be corrected and reminded that the course is only the beginning of a very long road of to learn the art of grooming, which takes commitment, dedication, passion, etc.

 

Most of us get involved with this industry because we love animals, and we are so passionate to better the industry or assist in the betterment of the industry 

 

After all, we are here not to argue and put down but to learn and encourage and something needs to be done, so where do you start if not within the industry itself..



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Just so you know, I was trained in a School in NY City, Stanton School ( Joe Stanton was a very accomplished show groomer and shop owner for many years) employed wonderful qualified teachers and did not encourage people to open a shop right out of school.  I did an appreticeship with two men9 who would have been CMGs had their been such a thing in 19740 who were passionate about the industry and they were'nt Brits!  I didn't even entertain the thought of opening a shop until 1984, when I felt I had gone to enough seminars and worked with enough experienced people to bring the right things to the industry.  I have had 3 successful shops in 2 states in that time and am still offering quality grooming and encouraging others all my 32 years.  So , don't get me wrong, I know many " grandfathered " groomers who probably did learn from a book and opened a shop and their work shows it.  I only see here in Florida, groomers who barely graduate and go out and look for a place to set up a shop!  Maybe these schools should be doing the groundwork for licensing--don't encourage babes in the woods to go open shops!  Encourage apprenticeship and seminars, don't make them think they can change the world after 16 weeks--that is all I am saying---not that the only good groomers are competition groomers!  Boy, did you read that wrong!!

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I myself would like to see grooming shops inspected by the state, that's a start.  And see IF they can handle that!?!?!   They could start out with safety issues first and see IF groomers/shops could comply with that.  And cage sizes, and checking pets for Vacs. etc.   If we as groomer want to get paid well for the profession that we are in, then we must run our shops the same. We should have the pet full health and well being first and for most.  I would love to see state inspection in the state of Florida.

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I would like to know why we would have the State inspect our premises?  I  don't think that is the answer..  Instead, have a NCMG/CMG (who is voted into this position by other NCMG's and CMG's), to perform this task in each State.  Let's say, whoever designates a NCMG to do these inspections, then this NCMG/CMG will know our industry standards, and how our premises should be operated, unlike the State...  I think we need to stay away from this thought, as the State has no idea about our industry, same as a lot of groomers in the industry today!  If you are not a NCMG/CMG, then you can not apply for this position.  If we are going to change this industry, to be recognized and respected as a professional career, then we first must be able to interpret what these standards are, and the State will not know these needs, like a NCMG/CMG will..  We need well versed groomers in this position, that can walk into a shop and if they do not meet the requirements, they let this governing body know where the shop failed and where it passed..  They would be given a chance to redeem themselves, but only after going through the National governing body.  This would be the office/database for all NCMG's, CMG's, and groomers alike..  They all should be in their own category, and monitored in their performance.  There would be a place for the unsatisfied/satisfied clients to send their concerns/complaints, and this governing body, would track the performance of each groomer..  The only question would be who pays the NCMG/CMG/office staff, for their time and efforts - I think we can do a better job then the State.  Perhaps we (NCMG/CMG's) can establish the mandate for the State to perform their duties while inspecting their premises..  We should have a web cam in every shop, so the client can monitor their dog throughout the day...  This takes all the concern out the the day for the client, and if the groomer is doing their job properly and taking care of their shops, they should want to embrace this to remove some of the worries of the clients..

 

I am so tired of animals being on the tables of some person, that sits back and looks at our industry, and thinks they can do it or know it better then the NCMG's and the CMG's, and of course that seasoned groomer who is not certified..  For the sake of the animals that we hear of being cut (eye slits, toe/wart removal, etc.), mutilated on these tables of non-groomers and other groomers sitting back saying..  Well, you can't shut down their shop...  Well, I can assure you that if we still had a horse dr. pulling teeth out of humans mouths, someone would be there to shut them down..  I think we need to get it together..  Otherwise, we can not complain or say I told you so, when we hear the next nightmare story, because we let it happen by trying to protect the seasoned groomer who didn't or won't get certified.  Instead, the way it is today, we let just anyone open a grooming shop and get to work.  Gee, a hairdresser must post their license for the world to view, and I haven't thought of too many scenarios where a hairdresser would find themselves in like in our industry...  To me, this industry has had and will continue to have major problems with the structure..  Old groomers get pissed when you mention Cert., but guess what..  We need it to regulate the new comers!  Otherwise, how do you regulate all these problems in our industry, when we don't respect the titles held by the professionals in our industry today.  What a messed up industry.. 

 


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hi,,,  here in yucca valley  CAL..  when i opened my shop it was the  "animal control officers" that came in and  checked things out, and asked me questions.. to make sure it was safe for the animals and clean etc.... they do this once a year (i wish it was TWICE a year)  and in combination with a "master  groomers cert."(or something like it)  i think this would be a great start!!!  i dont want someone that knows nothing about animals to come in and inspect my shop(the gov), i want someone that WORKS daily with animals to inspect my shop....

 ALSO it doesnt matter if you went to a school or apprenticed at a shop, or are self taught,, if you CARE about your work,  if grooming is your career choice and not "just a job"  .. this is the difference between us (groomers that care)and the "hacks"... and i think the "hack" shops should be shut down because they give all groomers a bad name!! especially when they make the news for killing dogs!!!!!  here in southern calif.. i few years ago there was a shop in LA that killed not one but TWO dogs in a month with heat cage dryers....  and we are still feeling the bad vibes from that. "groomers are evil"...... i have to tell people all the time "i am not in this buisness to hurt your dog"     this type of stuff needs to stop...


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What it ends up coming down to in the end is the customer themselves tend to determine what they want in a shop and a groomer.  Word of mouth costs nothing and is my only form of advertisement and I am booked weeks in advance.  All the groomers I know who observe the same practices that I value are doing very well also.  The client enters a clean shop that is constantly disinfected, a groomer who greets them and their dog with a smile and a personal moment, a short shop visit ( no 6-8 hour stays in our shops) and a dog they are proud to be seen with when they leave.  I have heard all the horror tales from clients and only wish some kind of regulating could be done to close them down, however depending upon the states laws, it takes an awful lot of doing to achieve this end.  I know the state of Florida makes it difficult to enforce.  I do like the CA idea of having someone in the animal housing industry inspecting for cleanliness--I have seen some unreal sights in some shops over these many years--fossilized feces in crates, pee stained walls that  are never cleaned, old hair everywhere are among the list.

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I have been giving this issue a lot of thought before commenting on it and I keep coming back to the same thoughts. I don't think licensing is the answer. Here's why. Take the medical field for example. One of the most regulated fields there is and what do we hear about all the time? Doctors with no morals or ethics, wrong meds prescribed or at the wrong dose, mis diagnosis, wrong limbs amputated, surgical supplies left inside patients, and the list goes on and on. The people, the doctors, have gone through more schooling and interning than any groomer I know and there are still so many that even with the strictest of governmental guidelines, still can't get it right. I believe,  no matter what rules are put into place, there will always be a few bad apples that make the evening news. I also believe, however, that the majority of people in our industry, no matter how we got here, are in it for the right reasons and do the very best we can. I think the general public, in most cases, can wean out those that don't. Glad to get this off my chest! Laurie 

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Thank you Laurie for another prospective!  You are 200% correct and yes, there will always will be the bad apples, but let's not let them spoil the whole bunch everyone!

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