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How 'bout this as an angle...  

 

I subscribe to the Donald Trump University publication, and I have taken a quote to share with you all...  as stated by Donald Trump himself. 

 

"I’m a big believer in education. It’s critical in today’s society if you plan on getting anywhere.

There are only two ways to get an education in our society. You either go to college or you go to the school of hard knocks.

A formal education is great. It teaches you how to think and really use your brain. Upon graduation you know a lot of things. However, there is a big difference in “knowing” and "doing". Ironically a college education doesn’t really pay off until you’ve been through a few hard knocks “courses” of your own. 

When you graduate from the school of hard knocks your education has been gained from "doing." In the school of hard knocks you take action first and then learn from the results-- good or bad. However, without the “knowing,” the doing can be very painful and expensive. Unfortunately the hard knocks tuition is more costly than a formal education." - Donald Trump (Oct. 2005)

 


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From what I thought, licensing was not making sure every groomer can scissor a poodle like Christine Pawlosky; It is just making sure groomers know basic safety and sanitization procedures, and what is wrong with that?  I *know* alot of groomers out there don't.  I came from a veterinary assistant background and I was amazed at what I saw at the first shop I worked at. Groomers doing things that defied the basic anatomy and structure of the dog or even how to approach them. I'll never forget the one girl who would pat the dog on the head every time it tried to bite her. That's a great way to reward bad behavior. I'm not for someone telling me we all have to groom cookie cutter dogs but I wouldn't mind at all proving that I know how to treat the pets safely.



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Oh, and I'd just also like to say that I don't mean to sound like I'm pointing fingers by mentioning "other groomers".  I'm sure there are alot of things I don't know too. Like clipper repair and maintenence, I have no skill at that. But there are things that we all don't know.  There is nothing wrong with gaining more knowledge. Mistakes and accidents happen, but maybe they could happen less if there was 1 standard (as we all learned different things about safety and sanitization, proper restraint, handling...) to go by. For example, Once, I hired a woman who was trained by her sister. That lasted 1 day. She was having a hard time with a maltese, so she picked it up by the back of it's neck like a cat. Now, I know mothers do that to their pups, but this was a 5 year old dog.  She was let go immediately. She said "That's ok, I'll find another job somewhere". I thought "that's a real shame".

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mmmm, few and far between we are... 


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Yeah and some seem to always get the shaft...


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Thank you valley, you finally said something I agree with you on 100%.  We are far and few between and the customers find that out too....

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Unfortunately, the only time any action is ever taken on these groomers is when they injure the wrong pet--a dog who belongs to someone with clout, a politician or the like!

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 So how many are actually licensed or certified groomers who post on this board? I am not either. Should we stop grooming until we are licensed? I live in South Jersey. Is there a place to start this procedure in this area that anyone knows of? 

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And if your groomer is a master groomer, did he/she actually merit becoming one or did he/she pay his tab and get a certification as a CMG.  Big difference....

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Nice, I think this is the best thing since nail clippers!  When I go to post my response, I am usually so emotionally charged, I go for the quick answer, and sometimes lose my focus.  But, my core values are focused on what is the best for our industry, and that is not making exceptions and excuses for the folks who lack certification or licensing - No excuses anymore, when you are not certified or licensed, and you can not advertise as such, and we all are pushing the fact that we are certified through advertising, and educating the public on what they should be looking for in their groomer (cert/license), then the client will decide.

 

I am going to have a dog party when I hit DC, and I am going to push for licensing and Certification, and assist the group that takes this on, in any way I can - volunteer, whatever it takes!  This availability is needed from all, if we are to make a difference...

(No need for hating...  We all have the same purpose/focus, now get rid of the cats, and join in with the pack).


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The only time you stop learning, valley is when you are dead.  I have learned something from everyone I have ever met.  I have learned something from you also, you know EVERYTHING about just about everything.  Makes me remember why I don't bother with many groomers outside of a working situation.  I see you post everywhere!  Good for you that you have all that time.  I posted my experience ( and only a short spot of it), obviously you didn't bother to read it or you would never have made the accusations that you make of me. I am only giving my opinion and that is all it is.  I told you all what my experience has been over the years with many CMG's.  I would love to see what they offer today and if there is ever a mandatory licensing in FL, I'd be the first one on line.  I DON'T need to be grandfathered in although with 32 years behind me I could do just that.  I only post on this line when I am not grooming, which is very little of the time.

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I have a somewhat related question....or opinion...or a statement, or all 3 or something

Why is it that none of our professional associations list thier members on line for the public to see? Why are there not pamplets on how to choose a groomer at vets offices and at pet shops?

I looked around the web and it seems to me all of the other pet industry professional associations have very professional web sites that list thier members on the web site and some even have toll free numbers for consumers to call.(I am too lazy to link all the stuff but google, ABKA, PHA, Pet Sitting Associations,Association of Pet Trainers, etc)

I think it's great that we have the certification associations, but I don't understand why we don't have something like the ABKA or PHA for pet groomers? Wouldn't we be able to put forth a more professional image if we collectivly got together and set the industry standards and made the pet owning public more aware? Then when licsensing or other issues come up theres a national voice to be taken seriously about things? I know we have a few professional organizations and I belong to one of them, but of the 3 national ones I know of only 1 is non profit. I had contacted them in the past to get more info about them and never heard back from them.

Someone s'plain this to me please
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<P style="MARGIN: 0px">1973 - I was 3 years old...  <IMG src="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/images/boards/smilies/wave.gif"></P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I want to talk to you all about our industry, and not our issues with each others' credentials.  I have mentioned before that we are moving to VA - My husband , works at nasa headquarters.  Remember, I met him at the NDGAA fun in the sun '03...   I suggested to Laurie that maybe she could meet her future love there this year...  My husband and I will be newlyweds forever ~ Soulmates!</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">I simply want to unite with you all, and have a good time visiting this board, and maybe even meet other groomers with similar interests (kids/dogs/horses) - laugh & get along...  Here is such a great place where we support one another...</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px">Hairdressers need a license, and we don't - I just don't understand...</P> <P style="MARGIN: 0px"> </P>

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All very well said... I hope it will bring more resepct to the profession. I was one  of those affected by the pesticides used so heavily in the 80's/90's and developed a very high level of a certain chemical, as well as an intolerance to pyrethrins. I used to use these all the time (especially in my days as a bather in the 80's) and now cannot even be near a dog who has recently worn a flea collar treated with certain chemicals or pyrethrins without becoming lightheaded. Several trips to the hospital back in the 90's due to the pesticides. Everyone thought I was being "dramatic". Needless to say, I use all natural products.

 

 

 

 

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Hang on, I gotta get my box of tissues (I'm such a ham).  Mr. Airedale breeder wrote something to me once about sentient love.  I think it was about a jack russle, or maybe a fox terrier...  Can't remember...  I'm gonna go find that story.  This man included it as his Xmas greeting, and I had the honor of proofing this doc.  Both he and I shed so many tears of joy...  sadness...  Each tear filled with such meaning.  Oh, I love the people who have touched me in my little life so far...  Mmmhum, Barbara.  I don't know why but I can't seem to let go of 1 ounce of good advice I have had in my past.  I too was glued to the screen of the tele, as I so diligently practiced Barbara's techniques on our family pets.  That little O'Malley, our Scottie...  Well she was very frustrating to say the least - But, I was reassured that all was well in my obedience lessons, from my grandparents springer spaniel (patches) who was all too willing to be my student (he was so bored - ha ha) - night and day from Malley, the Scottie.

 

Then I had an opportunity to buy a boarding kennels from this old lady from Holland (She as a child, endured the pains/war crimes of the 2nd WW)...  To live/work with this woman was quite an experience.  There was a 4 month lapse where both she and I resided together, as her family prepared to move her into a retirement complex...  Can you imagine - You know she was empathetic!  Bless that woman wherever she is today...  God knows she needs it! There were probably 30 resident cats that I had to remove from the house, after we got this lady in her new home.  But, so many lessons learned, both grooming and life lessons she wanted to share with me.  This generation is taking for granted that these folks that are here toady to speak themselves.  We sit at their ankles and listen quietly to their stories (good & bad), as though they will always be here to tell them.  What really puts this in perspective for me is when I lost my grandfather, who was basically my dad.  I used to sit for hours and listen to his stories...  War stories, family, fishing, whatever.  And I remember thinking then, what about when Dad goes...  Who will tell his stories, as I knew only a few really knew the stories - but none could tell it the was he could (stuff lost in the interpretation).  If he had only written it down, or even put them on tape...  I could relish in them today, or on a rainy day.  Here we have Liz Paul...  What about everything in her head.  Wish I knew 1/4 of what she has to offer the grooming industry.  Text...  The importance is lost, as is the craft of grooming...  If we don't write and preserve...


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