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pawprintz

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There was a meeting at Kennel in Lititz Pa. There were about 150 groomers and others in the pet grooming industry. Most to question the Licensing bill and were'nt happy about it. All you need to do is go back over posts on this forum on Licensing and you will see the mention about the bill and the meeting.

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Pawprintz, I was referring to the meeting you said took place on the 18th. There are no posts about it. Did you go? What, if anything, was decided? 

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Lurie it seems like the post i mentioned for you to look back on are missing. No I was'nt at the meeting . But talk to a few groomer friends who were. Things are still in the up in the air about the bill. I believe thats because it is so complicated  . The bill really needs to be toned down if they exspect it to pass. It's just to govement , fees, restrictions. etc. Here read for yourself. http://www.legis.state.pa.us/WU01/LI/BI/BT/2005/0/HB2194P3049.HTM

 
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We ( groomers in Pennsylvania ) don't need a license bill.  We are not killing or hurting dogs, the public, dog owners, vets are not complaining.  There is not a problem, why burden us with all of these fees and funds.  My clients are outraged by the requirements in this bill, they are downloading it and coming into my salon complaining, they know grooming fees will double or triple with this bill. The legislators think the groomers are emotional about this bill, wait until the dog and cat owners loose their groomers and are forced to go to the malls and pay a fortune to have their pets groomed, makes one wonder if the chain salons aren't behind this.   Lucky Dog 103



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Canyon wrote: "What concerns me is that while it may weed out the underground or "basement" groomers, it may also weed out the ones who are good at their jobs but just can't afford the license. I feel that I am a good groomer but we have only been in business for ourselves for a year"

 

You can't make this kind of generalization! Just because someone grooms in their basement, they are a bad groomer? I've been hearing more and more of this and I *REALLY* take offense to this. 

Another groomer mentions "basement" groomers in this article too. http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/valleyindependent/s_422951.html

I'm a home groomer with 6 years experience  as a Veterinary Assistant (clinic and Emergency) before I even got into grooming. I went to a grooming school who is licensed by the board of education. I go to between 30-40 hours of "continuing education/year. I'm going to a Red Cross Pet first aid seminar next week just because I want to. I go for Safety over Aesthetics, and I've got the good history to prove it. I just placed 3rd in a grooming competition where I was the only one with NO competition experience. I'm working on my NCMG through NDGAA. My basement had to meet safety guidelines as stipulated by my boro. I wonder what the next owners of my home will think about the emergency lighting and lighted exit sign above my door. But forget all that. I must be a "bad" groomer because I groom out of my basement, right?

 

I don't groom out of my basement because I can't pay rent. It was the $1,000/month daycare I couldn't afford. I HAD a commercial location, it didn't make me a better groomer. I also worked in a commercial location

 

Ok, Sorry, I had to get that off my chest. My point is that where you groom (location) or who (Indy or corp) you groom for doesn't matter. If we want to unite, the first thing we need to do is stop making generalizations and pointing fingers at each other.

 

I'm in favor of licensing. I'm opposed to this particular version of the bill. But I also think you have to make your way through the "spin" on BOTH sides to find the truth.

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Hey, Biz, just wondering what your credentials are and where your info is coming from. You seem to have alot of knowledge and a strong opinion on this subject.



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most homeowners insurance policies, will not cover loss of your home if it has a business being conducted in it.

You are right. That's why I have BUSINESS insurance to cover my business in addition to homeowners insurance to cover my home.

"Bottom line is" location is not the issue in this bill...SAFETY is the issue.



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Question for you biz? (Lord, why can't I keep my mouth shut today?) There are many other licensed professionals who have home based businesses...Hairdressers, Insurance agents, accountants, Lawyers, just to name a FEW. Why should groomers be any different?



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Section 512.  Prohibited pet grooming practice and facility
operation.

     6     (e)  Residential use.--It shall be unlawful for the owner of
     7 a pet grooming facility to permit an individual to sleep in or
     8 use for residential purposes a room used wholly or in part as a
     9 pet grooming facility.

 

Well, they better word it better because as this is written, it just says to me that you can't let anyone live in your grooming area. That should be common sense.

I don't have a beef with you, I'm only singling out a line that Canyon wrote in a previous post and that another groomer mentioned in an article. Both implied that Home groomers were not good groomers. I wasn't trying to start a debate, just defending my skills, as someone who grooms from home.

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Hi I have just been emailed a synopsis of the Pittsburgh groomers meeting. It was written by Gaye Rock who was there, she has been our  main voice for the past 3 meetings. She has been doing vasts amount of research and work for the Pa groomers. Following is her email on the results of the Pitts. meeting:

Hello everyone - I am sorry it has been awhile wince you heard from me, my best friend's husband died at the age of 42 and I was dealing with that.  Thank you thank you Cindy Blatt for writing the update on the Phila. Meeting.  At the Pitt mtg. three representatives came - Daley, Harhei, and another whose name I don't have in front of me.  All three spoke.  I presented the financial information and laid out the specifics of the penalty phase/criminal charges of the bill, and the best way to voice our concerns.  Mr. Daley, of the three, is going to be most helpful to our cause.  He apparently sits on the Dept. of Ag board where this will likely end up.  He told us that handwritten letters are better than typed, because they get more attention.  Then do a phone call to "seal the deal".  He seems genuinely interested in our welfare, and says the bill is unconstitutional and he will do all in his power to see it is quashed.  He will be a formidable advocate for us.   He says he does feel O'Neill has a personal agenda and is not to be trusted to drop this issue.  I asked if there was any way to block him from being involved in any future bill, and he said the only way is to make sure he doesn't get re-elected.   So groomers of Bucks Co., Phila. area, etc., I will put that ball in your court, as you have that power.  Get registered to vote NOW, and pass the word, or we will have to face this situation EVERY YEAR.   
   O'Neill was once again  invited to the meeting and failed to show (he used the snow as an excuse) .  Rep. Harhei talked to him on the phone on the way to the meeting and he said that next month he (O'Neill) has a meeting set up with "vets and other people" to re-write the bill.  This was one way of placating us, but if he really is planning to rewrite the bill, this is not good news.  Who knows what the new one will contain?
  I asked how we would know if another bill came upon us, esp. if it was attached to another bill.  Daley said that every Mon. and Tues. we have to call the Speaker's Office to see what bills are before the House/Senate.  Seems like a shaky way to keep track of this issue forever; do any of you with computer skills know how we can get on an automatic list of some sort so we don't have to keep checking?  It seems safer, somehow, that way.
  Mr. Daley promised to do everything in his power to kill this bill.  In his own words, "this is stricter than the laws surgeons have to adhere to."  He asked that I forward my speech to him, and I will do so.  He promised to champion our cause.
  For anyone who hasn't put their Petition out for customers, here is a sample petition.   "Dear Mr. Gannon:  I strongly disagree with House Bill 2194 licensing groomers, which will effectively cease the livelihood of all groomers, kennels, professional handlers, breeders, owner handlers, pet care workers, shelter workers, cat fanciers, rescues, and the pet care industry.  Please vote against it."
  We also discussed what you should be talking about when calling your reps.  Here are suggested talking points.  Keep it short, simple, and unemotional.   Your goal is to educate them as to the contents of the bill:
1.  No grandfathering, and the average schooling will cost avg. shop $103,000.  2.  We are small bus. people, we're doing what we love to do in the best way we know how, and you're killing our bus. with this bill.  3.  Criminal  penalties are unreasonable and unfounded. 4.  At the end of the day we will still NOT be vets. 5.  Another gov't org. for the taxpayers to pay for.  To find your rep, go to votesmart.org.
  One last note, thank you Paul Rudy for organizing Pitt.  Great job.  Many people have asked how they can thank me for the work I am doing.  First off, get the bill Killed.  (KILL BILL),  Second, throw O'Neill out of office.  Third,, I have a CD out which you can get at cdbaby.com or Amazon.com named "Mountains", and find it under Gaye Albright-Rock.  I have a couple boxes left and would sure like to move them!  Thanks very much.  I will be in touch with other developments.
 Please thank Gaye by writing and calling these people.


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Thanks for posting that Rubysmom. I was at the meeting last night and I called Rep. Daleys office to thank him again for coming. All 3 reps support was greatly appreciated. I know they stayed as long as they could as they had other commitments. They were so nice to explain all the confusing "legalese" this bill contained. Gaye's work and commitment to this is so inspirational. Can I repost this on my little Pgh bbs for those to see who could not attend?

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Sure Justine  go ahead and post  the further all this info gets out in Pa. the better. Maybe more groomers, will get involved, I don't think that they know how serious this could be this time,  do the Pa. groomers really want a revision of this bill?? Written by an angry, elected judge who is also going to help revise it??? Plu-leez!!  This bill needs to be put to bed. KILL BILL #2194!! 

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Biz:  Well, it's good to know you are not defending this bill, I really couldn't tell. LOL, how stupid do you think us groomers are?  You are right, the tax payers won't pay for the licenses, funds and penalties. BUT the Pennsylvania tax payers will pay for a licensing board which is very expensive, these are not my words, but the words of Katie True, the rep. that attended the Lancaster meeting.  Also, the tax payers will pay for the exorbitant grooming fees when us, "basement groomers" ( God I am glad to be an American ) are forced out of business because of all of the monies in this horrible bill.  The $103,000 comes from having our salons closed to go to a school, which we don't need for 5 months of training, I am so glad after 34 years of grooming and owning 6 salons, l I will finally learn how to groom, again, we are not stupid, STOP talking to us like we are.  Again, if it's not broke, don't fix it.   Lucky Dog 103

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KILL BILL 2194 !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Biz:  You don't know where the figure of $103,000 for each groomer comes from.  Well, you like to quote from the bill, the fund is to be One Million Dollars, not to go lower than $50,000 at any time, well, biz, where do you think that money is coming from, 2700 groomers in Pa. do the math.  Again, don't talk to us like we are dummies, this bill is to promote the big companies and wipe up independents out of business. sounds like Big Brother doesn't it.  I think it's time we invite our client's, dog and cat owners and Pennsylvania tax payers, to our meetings and the media.  They care about their groomers, even though O'Neil has been invited to every meeting, he hasn't cared enough to show up.

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